Sharlene;
I listened to the Art Bell interview with Joyce Riley that
you sent and
was convinced.
I then looked at the photo that was discussed and became quite
suspicious. I was a pilot and have paid more than average attention
to
different aircraft.
Not only was the profile shown not an Apache, but I did not recognize
it
as any attack helicopters I am familiar with.
The unfortunate part of this kind of story is that it can destroy
the
credibility of surrounding truths. I have heard many reports of
the
government engineering this exact kind of spin for that exact
purpose.
Be careful.
I have inserted a real Apache next to the one in the attached
Art Bell
photo so that you can see the difference. I also inserted a third
aircraft just above both of them so that you can see how easy
photos can
be doctored.
I now suspect this is a government engineered piece of crap because
the
error is so glaring!
I also believe the goal in this case would be to destroy the credibility
of Joyce Riley who is a fine lady. She uncovered the Gulf War
Syndrome
fiasco and made public the U.S. law that gave the Department of
Defense
permission to experiment with chemical and biological warfare
on the
citizens of this country without their perrmission or knowledge.
I also
suspect that the air force guy reporting this story to Joyce was
a
government plant with the sole purpose of destroying her.
For more of her story go to the Patriot Papers web site
http://www.aznitelife.com/patriotpapers and click on the bio-genocide
article.
I have copied the patriot Papers mailing list with this letter.
I hope
you don't mind but I do think it is important.
Duane
PS. The David Koresh insert in the photo looks very much like
a Janet
Reno quote!
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Forwarded Message:
Subj: Re: Apache gunship at Waco???
Date: 04/23/2000 10:18:53 PM US Mountain Standard Time
To: WacoTragedy News
Shar,
Duane made some interesting points regarding Joyce Riley's interview with the Ft Hood Specialist and the specialist's claim that his unit deployed several Apache AH-64 helicopters, equipped with Hellfire munitions to the Waco area on the first day of the attack by the BATF. The Specialist reported that the Hellfire on those helis were expended when the helis recovered at Ft Hood post mission over Waco.
As to the pictures, he is right, the picture in question did
not contain an Apache. There were two OH58s (pictured here firing
a small missle) [
] and an XH-60 Blackhawk,
(pictured below on the runway) which was the large heli with the
pylons on the sides on the left in the Waco aerial pictures.
I say XH-60 because I'm not sure what exact model it was, but
I believe it was an MH-60k, which is used by Delta Force, but
with a slight modification. It was in a configuration I have not
yet seen, but I recognize the configuration on it from other helicopters
with a similar setup. [
]
Let me discuss this with some info which I'm supporting from
http://www.blarg.com/~whitet/delta.htm. The Sikorsky MH-60 Blackhawk
comes in three different varieties; the MH-60G (known as the Pave
Hawk and used by the USAF Special Operations Wings), the MH-60L,
and the MH-60K. The latter two variants are used by the Army's
160th Special Operations Aviation Regiment (Delta Force ). As
a counter-terrorist group, Delta's main function is in hostage
rescue. The Pave Hawk and MH-60L were both modifications of UH-60
variants already serving. The MH-60K is the first to be designed
from the start for SOA duties.
ARMY MH-60s
The first special operations Blackhawk was the MH-60A, a standard
UH-60 with many improvements. They were among the first to be
equipped with the AAQ-16 FLIR (Forward Looking Infra-Red) sensor
and ALQ-144 "Disco Light" IR jammer. All the original
A models also received auxiliary fuel tanks (the pods on the sides),
IR suppressive exhausts, SATCOM (Satellite Communication), radar
warning receivers, and M-134 7.62mm Miniguns.
In the late 1980s, a new version, called the MH-60L was introduced.
It was to be the "low end" of a system; the high end
being the then unproduced MH-60K. The MH-60L was only about halfway
through it's operational evaluation when Iraq invaded Kuwait.
The upgrade process was accelerated and several of the L models
were able to serve in Desert Shield and Storm alongside the older
MH-60A models.
MH-60Ls received upgraded electronics such as a color weather
radar, and the capability to carry the Hellfire missile.(Italics
are mine). This is the only other weapon, besides the Apaches
20 mm cannon, that could have pierced the steel water tower at
Mt Carmel. Kevlar ballistic armor has been added for increased
crew protection.
The MH-60K is the current top-of-the-line medium helicopter. It
was designed with much input from actual 160th pilots. The MH-60K
features a fully integrated NVG (Night Vision Goggles) compatible
glass cockpit. It can carry twelve soldiers (which would cover
the entire airborne group of Chojnacki) over 750 miles without
refueling. A mission management system is also part of the aircraft's
equipment. Electronic sensors and counter measures have also been
added and improved to increase the aircraft's effectiveness and
ability to survive the battlefield.
Back to the pictures, If you look at the sides of that heli on the left in the picture, there appear to be the pylons I'm talking about. These can be either long range ferry tanks or the tanks can also be used to carry equipment of many types inside. In this case, I suspect equipment. The reason I say this is the mast centered on the rotor of the heli. Masts such as these are common on OH-58 Kiowa helicopters. They are used to allow the helicopter to say below line of sight of targets they are observing. There is a ball with a sight at the top of the mast. It contains optical sights and laser target designators. The heli that is so equipped can stay below the horizon, unseen except for the ball, and provide targeting telemetry uplink and other visual data to another heli, like the Apache, which is hovering or standing-off target several miles waiting to shoot in relative safety. When info is received by the Apache, it can launch any of a variety of munitions, such as Hellfire. Hellfire is specifically designed to bust up the concrete of runways, or...bunkers or thick steel. Now, I was in the military 24 years, and saw more than my share of helis, both Air Force and Army. I saw the Apaches and their OH-58 helpers..but I never saw a Blackhawk so configured, that is to say with the mast sight. But, it would be an ideal candidate because of the larger number of people it can carry and that it can act as an airborne battlefield command post of sorts, or battlefield controller. I'm enclosing a few pics so you can see what I'm talking about. One is the OH-58 with the mast sight, the rest are the MH 60 Blackhawks. The pics are enclosed within the text, but if your mail reader can't read them, then download the two attached files. If the files are .sit files and you have a PC, not a Mac, go to http://www.aladdinsys.com/ and get Stuffit Expander for windows.
Rick
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"If...the machine of government...is of such a nature that
it requires you to
be the agent of injustice to another, then, I say, break the law."
--Henry David Thoreau